tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2851981677644878233.post2531720191376700199..comments2023-10-25T02:16:28.192-06:00Comments on Ryan's linguistics blog: positive anymoreRyan Denzer-Kinghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04015316224715016479noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2851981677644878233.post-70070988277123433972013-03-11T11:13:54.588-06:002013-03-11T11:13:54.588-06:00These may be useful:
http://microsyntax.sites.ya...These may be useful: <br /><br />http://microsyntax.sites.yale.edu/positive-anymore<br /><br />http://www.lacus.org/volumes/33/chambers_j.pdfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2851981677644878233.post-49429872323724681532012-12-03T03:00:41.481-07:002012-12-03T03:00:41.481-07:00I'm from County Mayo in the West of Ireland an...I'm from County Mayo in the West of Ireland and positive 'anymore' is in common usage here. It's generally used as a term to mean 'from now on'. <br />For example, "the road is closed so I'll have to walk there anymore." It can also be used in the negative sense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2851981677644878233.post-23339343570495455482012-06-19T14:29:54.792-06:002012-06-19T14:29:54.792-06:00I'm a little late jumping in here but...
The ...I'm a little late jumping in here but...<br /><br />The Positive Anymore is a strong feature of the Upper Appalachian dialect. (WVa/OH/KY, where I'm from. I had not realized it was stigmatized until I went to college at Univ of California—in Linguistics!)<br /><br />A good example of the usage in full Appalachian dialect:<br />"Tammy been landin' five, six catfish a day anymore."<br /><br />Interestingly I have noted that Negative Anymore has fallen out of usage somewhat, to be replaced by what I'll call "Negative No More." <br /><br />For example, rather than:<br />"Lonnie ain't afraid of that ol' rooster anymore," I'll hear "Lonnie ain't afraid of that ol' rooster no more." I've considered that the dialect is working further to distance the polarities.<br /><br />Then, to illustrate the confusion that can result from intermixed dialects, here's a conversation I had with my 10yo, Boston born, son.<br /><br /><br />Asa and the Positive 'Anymore'<br /><br />Asa was wondering if we might start getting cable TV.<br /><br />I thought about it: Well, there is some good stuff on tv anymore.<br /><br />[pause]<br /><br />Asa: Are you saying I don't like it anymore?<br /><br />Me: No, I'm saying you do like it anymore.<br /> <br />[pause]<br /><br />Asa (clearly confused): But that says something... negative... right...?~tapu~https://www.blogger.com/profile/12361453352476369399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2851981677644878233.post-81449774023538659952011-10-26T09:07:35.990-06:002011-10-26T09:07:35.990-06:00I definitely associate the positive anymore usage ...I definitely associate the positive anymore usage with South Jersey and Philadelphia. You almost never hear it in New York unless you're talking to someone from those parts. I also find the usage remarkably hard to replicate on the fly. That's how wrong it sounds to my ear.Fat Alhttp://therightprofile.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2851981677644878233.post-18073890580177486392011-01-02T07:04:07.012-07:002011-01-02T07:04:07.012-07:00Check this out, from John Lawlor
http://www-perso...Check this out, from John Lawlor<br /><br />http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jlawler/aue/anymore.html<br /><br />He says it's a social dialect more than regional.<br /><br />I grew up in the Ottawa Valley and it sounds odd to me.Jen Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12241393266988399779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2851981677644878233.post-13818405781208446082011-01-02T07:00:12.531-07:002011-01-02T07:00:12.531-07:00I'm from the Ottawa Valley, and the 'posit...I'm from the Ottawa Valley, and the 'positive' anymore sounds odd to me. I know that I have heard this usage before, but it was an American dialect speaker - trying to remember where he was from - Pennsylvania maybe.<br /><br />Just found this, by John Lawlor -<br /><br />http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jlawler/aue/anymore.html<br /><br />The distribution of positive "anymore" is only vaguely geographic;<br />mostly it's social dialects -- speech groups not necessarily distinguished<br />by location -- that show it. And just about everybody in the US<br />speaking English has encountered it. It's a natural extension of<br />the meaning of negative "anymore", and it can occur to anybody<br />independently -- it need not have had a single source.<br /><br /><br />Apparently, for users of positive "anymore", "nowadays" doesn't<br />cut it anymore. Anymore, they use "anymore" instead. Or perhaps<br />only in certain speech contexts; the definitive sociolinguistic<br />study remains to be done.Jen Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12241393266988399779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2851981677644878233.post-64903406432432262482010-12-27T23:50:50.984-07:002010-12-27T23:50:50.984-07:00I have ever been to Jane's house -
Well...supp...I have ever been to Jane's house -<br />Well...suppose you were born and raised in Jane's house, never havin' left.<br /><br />OH OH! Suppose you are a Jain, oh...never mind.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03037704048671379868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2851981677644878233.post-55015162753195996792010-12-22T11:18:58.348-07:002010-12-22T11:18:58.348-07:00I use constructions like this all the time. I'...I use constructions like this all the time. I'm born and raised in Cleveland, OH, where I'm told everyone talks very strangely. I would find it totally acceptable to say something like "Gas is so expensive anymore that you might as well just walk" or even "Anymore, gas is so expensive..."<br />This reminds me of the "does this need washed" or "the living room needs vacuumed" construction, borrowed, I believe, from Scots.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12358298453357803297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2851981677644878233.post-12559494927773289672010-12-13T12:10:26.728-07:002010-12-13T12:10:26.728-07:00Indeed. I've even used such constructions in ...Indeed. I've even used such constructions in more artistic writing. All I meant is that in informal speech or academic writing it's marked to the point of being mostly perceived as ungrammatical (though it would probably be the task of a well-formedness judgment task to determine that).Ryan Denzer-Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015316224715016479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2851981677644878233.post-43274775237194962752010-12-13T11:58:04.837-07:002010-12-13T11:58:04.837-07:00*I have ever been to Jane's house.
This is ne...*I have ever been to Jane's house.<br /><br />This is new. This sort of constrcution used to be accpetable, although you would more probably have said "I was ever at Jane's house, but then her husband returned from overseas." But things change. T'was ever thus.Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07187836541591828806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2851981677644878233.post-25794716662333174782010-12-11T17:13:28.074-07:002010-12-11T17:13:28.074-07:00Your fellow blogger Gabe uses positive "any m...Your fellow blogger Gabe uses positive "any more":<br /><br />http://motivatedgrammar.wordpress.com/2010/12/01/grammar-fail-fail/<br /><br />In England afaik positive "any more" is completely unknown.vphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16647609487352038948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2851981677644878233.post-17489834571235872952010-12-11T15:33:14.715-07:002010-12-11T15:33:14.715-07:00I don't think I've noticed it here in Midd...I don't think I've noticed it here in Middlesex county, but then as a graduate student I'm around people who are mostly transplants from other region and countries and are overeducated (and I have the intuition that positive "anymore" isn't a feature of SAE and thus might be stigmatized). However, my grandmother is from Hoboken, so Jersey may well be fertile ground for positive "anymore" generally speaking.Ryan Denzer-Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015316224715016479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2851981677644878233.post-29115156339535752002010-12-11T12:36:23.712-07:002010-12-11T12:36:23.712-07:00Strange, the second and third examples sound perfe...Strange, the second and third examples sound perfectly fine to me and I'm positive I've said similar things many times. It seems so natural to me that I've never even considered that it would be odd for the majority of American English speakers. I'm also from South Jersey, which puts me close enough to your location that I would expect, if it were a regional thing, that you would hear this regularly as well. Maybe you do?joshisanonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02858689289521564817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2851981677644878233.post-6028227998701033142010-12-11T11:13:19.291-07:002010-12-11T11:13:19.291-07:00I took a course on Canadian English once, which sa...I took a course on Canadian English once, which said that some speakers use positive anymore in Canadian English, though not in most dialects. Maybe in Ottawa Valley English?Clavisnoreply@blogger.com